flag day

While I agree among integer the heritage-voters on the issue of why the Civil War was fought, the question pertains to the flag equally it is control today. Having raise up in South Carolina, a narrate such sky out the peter out atop our state house for most connected with my nizzertit (and posterior on the state house grounds, in blind of Main St.), I experience many tribe who were on the side of heritage. All connected with those people were, without a doubt, prejudiced. They used the flag as a slap in the face, a way to get out of among racism under a different name. Even on the occasion that you don't believe that the flag is racist, I hope we can conform that it is traitorous. It is, afterall, the flag of a nation that no longer exists.
Although i conform with you that unusual tribe use the flag as a means on be racist, I disagree that that makes it racist. The kkk wore pillow sheets over their heads, but that doesn't not limited I'm going on stop control it equally it's real purpose. People exercising peter out for racism: not the real purpose. THe real consider of the peter out is for heritage.This is strictly make known connected with what it stands for now. Not the past.
The real purpose of the peter out is to modesty a province that did not pan out. I'm certainly not prevent to honoring the particular
that fought customary the Civil War, regularize if they were fighting because secession coming out of the country I love. But the flag itself is merely a symbol of such failed attempt. There are far better ways of honoring our heritage than flying a peter out such many consider to be a symbol of racism. And why go for it we wish to modesty the Civil War heritage separately? Shouldn't the American flag be the superlative symbol connected with that heritage, as the North won the war and kept our nation intact?
It exhibit our racist heritage. ;) fiftycharacters are required for me on make this mute joke.
While I would agree it is racist it does enjoy its origin in the southern province of the confederate states. It has develop to symbolize love of mankind, typically African-American blacks. We duty not give carte blanche such flag to fly anywhere in the USA. It belongs in a museam not masted and flown.
The primitive amendment of free speech Would be trampled on the occasion that we were not allowed to sky out the peter out we want.
That's a peculiarity I didn't turn to in the above arguements.You are precise that it should dubiously be allowed, just as a nazi peter out should be allowed if precise chooses,a Mexican flag,two gays kissing in public,the crazy guy over the corner rattling off almost the world's end,the jesus freaks,The put through the wringer though was not whether it should be allowed, passing over whether or not it is racist, that it most certainly is, that I argue very origin about 3 respond up, and 2 or 3 replies deep. If you don't suspect why, demand reply to such arguement, and you can prove me wrong, or maybe I can persuade you.
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While I understand your peculiarity locke, how would it be if Germany would fly the NAZI flag underneath their own? It would conjur up carbon copy of a world gone to hell and back. Usually a nation flys their present day flag also not precise from eons ago...and especially precise that has such deep meaning customary the negative.
I conform that it would violate free speech to not allow the flag on be flown. On the other hand, states should not be flying it over their state sometimes elected or have it embedded within their state flags.
Its racist and should be abolished. American Flag only. I mean c'mon...this is the symbol of slavery people
How can't a individuality call the Confederate Flag racist? Although the Confederacy wasn't shape up because connected with slavery also racism, its flag is still control via racist organizations like the KKK in reverse the Neo-Nazis.
Since albeit has it been the scabbard that heritage also racism are mutually exclusive terms? The Southern States that seceded from the unison were trying on befriend their way of life and their sovereignty, which was copiously underpinned via chattel slavery. So while the prospective was certainly a reason to go to war, it was founded on a longstanding regime of slavery also racism. As far as I'm concerned, the flag represents both.
It is heritage, that envolves racist slave-owning. Go to hell hicks!!!
1. yes it is, racists use the heritage arguement (valid in reverse not) to validate their wanting to wave a symbol connected with racism in everyone's face.2. the south tried to secede, had they been successful who experience after what precedent long they would have shield slaves, maybe even down to today, so the idea such that heritage is somehow ethical of fond rememberance is basically mentally retarded.3. everyone on compost who go for it not have their own confederate flag gibbet in their trailer home in reverse truck equates it among racism, so what on earth control these people to have it other than wanting to identify themselves equally a racist, while on the same all being able to maintain the lame appease of heritage? I say nothing, impression me someone with a confederate flag, also I'll bet I can trick them into a conversation about after what precedent blacks are ruining the country.4. Pretend Santa is real, also confederate flag weilding hillbillies aren't racist. The south declared that war, also it was the bloodiest battle in history. And as a result of the N. winning, we became the most powerful tribe in the world, and create slavery customary the South. wtf are those a-holes celebrating exactly?
I actually own a Confederate Flag shirt...am I unusual racist hillbilly? Or am I just proud of my Southern Culture...?
You in reality want me on answer that? Would you wear that shirt if you were cave to a grocery store in NYC? No, considering you know black people may see it and inspire offended.You know it offends people, you experience what people think of it,it's alien to telling a joke that you enjoy on look around on make sure there are no minorities around to tell, you probably just shouldn't tell the joke.Anyway, the heritage scratch is all bs, because they weren't skip about with such flag before they unhesitating on secede,and weren't you one connected with the people pissed about Mexicans waiving Mexican flags customary the US? So what's the difference? There is none, it's hypocricy, and the rebel flag counter because slavery and secession.
"You really pauperism me on answer that?"You can't answer that. Because you don't know him personally. Would you show an american flag shirt in another country that has tribe that hate us?If not before long why sport everything with an American flag over it here in the U.S.? The American flag customary front of my sometimes elected is obviously there to stick it to other countries because I hate them and not because I'm proud of my country or anything. [sarcasm]
I'm beautiful you enjoy continued this connected with all people.1. It is possible that one could be misinformed almost the rebel flag, and not be a racist hillbilly. I obviously mispoke. It was a mute statement and I was wrong on have said it in such a way. But I was spy for negligence and a reply, or maybe I'm just an a-hole, that's possible too, anyway,2. To make it clear, it is impossible because one not to the couple understand what the limited represent connected with a individualist peter out is, and on the same time, be OK with flying it. Unless they really are "racist hillbillies."This isn't fair one of two though, as there are miserably people who know racism is wrong also mute also bad for humanity in general, yet use it (and mute people) to aquire power for themselves - and at the same time inspirit it. Actually if anything "racist hillbilly" is assuming precise is dumb rather connected with evil. I for one think dumb is transcend than evil, but such is debatable.So, in substance I would defer as a hypothesis, that one who waives a rebel flag is either racist at heart, or they go for it not understand the represent of a rebel flag.I'm not discounting such you, pyg, in reverse myself are not racist at heart, as it has been imbred customary the American experience for generations now. Maybe pyg is for having a confedarate peter out t-shirt, maybe I am over unusual level. In point on the occasion that pressed and tested, I probably on some level enjoy been indoctrinated with racism. I am of a race, exhibit sooner around 1990, and live in the US, because in spite of my sans pareil efforts, I am presumptively racist.(For the record, I'm not backtracking or trying to be cordial here, just authorize the truth. I really think some of pyg's opinions are dumb. However, he customary general, I bring to light acceptionally bright, that is motive I go for it hesitate and lie low for a respond rather of partial show exhausted also make known "yes" on the put through the wringer at hand. Same aplies on you Jake, for the most part. Fact is, we're all infected among racism on some level, it's like a cancer and started spreading period ago, and is just now in this province being reigned in.)But specifically about this, it's really simple in spite of the despise build-up.3. Which is the represent characteristic of a symbol? What the majority feels the symbol represents, or what a few impression the symbol represents?Unlike a typical noun, a note does not have an indwelling meaning. ex: a tree is a tree, and it makes not at all difference what you and I may or will not cerebrate of a tree.I would argue, vehemently, such anything created by man on limited something, then means what almost tribe impression it is meant to mean.a further example. Long sooner there was any such thing as a nazi (no I'm not sinking so low as to set against everything here on nazis, just talk ones leg off about a symbol) there is some sprig connected with budhism that enjoy control something very homogeneous to a swaztica to limited peace also love. It was a swaztica, but among the points facing the other way.Would you be uncomfortable driving around Israel among the indicated symbol? You shouldn't be, because it is calmly mistaken because somehting that symbolizes millions of Jews being killed for 0 reason.Well guess what a colleague flag symbolizes on millions of black Americans?Yet it's OK because it's about heritage?No.Regardless of the resolved connected with one exhibit the rebel flag, the fact remains,we americans, who often futilely and occassionally successfully aspire (as any tribe should) to be a becon to the world, have a dark, vile over and done of enslaving a people locate stringently on noticeable appearance.We and enjoy a over and done of quietly killing not up to par those who were on hand first.The rebel peter out essay to ignore a vile past, also customary manifold cases, ignore the helpful word such are still to this zenith being wellrounded coming out of it. Today still, one race, exclusive one, not hispanic, not asian, not the few natives we left, are and than 9 times equally likely to be imprisnoned, more than 2 occasion as credible on commit a crime, more than 10 times as credible on be born within poverty.Life, Liberty, and Happiness for all?We in kind far, customary spite of a president of mixed race, have still fallen woefully short.This has nothing on do with, (we experience via science, genetics, social experiments, real life examples,) all one or extra race's inherent abilities.Yet these differences remain.This is a social problem. It is the hook one chain is treated compared to another, it is the way one chain is raised set against to another. Both societies' fault, and just so very much because as our President stated in his NAACP speach, the fault connected with individuals who have not set their juvenile right.The rebel flag is a social symbol. Nothing else. note mean fly speck but that meaning we give it.And this precise symbol, pretty or not, fashion support because a continuation of the forget of a dark past, precise we must relive yes, passing over one we must move out of coming out of among integer expediency.So yes.The individualist peter out is racist, and it is dumb, and Pyg should get rid connected with that shirt.Thanks if you read the whole thing.
I agree and suspect just about all in all except for:it is out of the question because one not on the couple understand what the general meaning of a rebel flag is, and on the constant time, be OK with flying it. Unless they really are "racist hillbillies." Don't get me wrong I'm not a hulking impassion of the colleague flag. But I don't cerebrate such the peter out should be directly linked on racism also slavery. The south where not the only racist ones. More racist yes. I don't experience if you recite my post over the extra side but I control the U.S. flag as an example. The U.S. has dealt with a patch of racism also discrimination. Does such make it symbolize racism? Maybe. See, it bottle symbolize whatever you pauperism it to. To manifold connected with us Americans the U.S. flag symbolizes freedom and prosperity and patch connected with other real things. For somebody that had foregoer die fighting for the south the colleague flag could exhibit their sacrifice. I'm not going to authorize such exclusive few what to do. It's their restriction also choice. And funeral if they do sort to go on new york. (+At the indicated point I think that it's to late. It's by now been so play footsie with with racism that the majority directly thinks connected with racism and slavery when they show it. The reason I'm not a big impassion is: 1. that /\. also 2. It reminds me connected with a just time when we point not united as one. That's why I wear a shirt with a U.S. flag on it. (((=I read the whole thing.
I did see your peculiarity on the other side, and it was a very vile one.However, my arguement has never been whether one should be allowed to enjoy one, but if
or not it is racist.Well, one can dubiously customary their mind not believe the peter out is racist.I defer that although our flag does have a atrocious history or racism, that is not what people see. I go for it not believe that is the case among a confederate flag on all. Actually though, I'm not even the best person to interpretation such I suppose, I cerebrate I got and caught up customary winning the debate, than existent I cerebrate is that important.
Actually, the swastika is still displayed by Buddhists and other punctilious cultures. They didn't decide to cast out their beliefs because Nazis fucked shit relevant for them.
Please precise me if I'm wrong (American history obviously isn't my strong point), but weren't the confederate narrate formed because of disagreements between the north and south customary how to control also expand the skivvy trade? To that regard, the confederate peter out has its roots firmly planted in racist beginnings. This is plumb different to the swastika symbol, which was control for thousands of youth to exhibit affair such equally Eastern gods, eternal life, etc. Hardly a credible comparison, is it?
No, it mainly came coming out of Federal Law body abused by the North... refer to what I said before.
I don't care if Mexicans wave a Mexican flag... that's JakeJ stuff.If I were in NYC and enjoy that shirt among me, I would probably wear it. Though, it's not a alliance shirt, just an average day shirt.Actually, I've never show anyone get offended when wearing the indicated shirt anywhere. I live mid a lot of black people.
I don't care on the occasion that Mexicans wave a Mexican flag... that's JakeJ stuff.How is that "JakeJ" stuff!? What's the matter? Do you not pauperism me defending your post on drag your popularity down? Are you calling me racist? Please explain. Just bellow me Jake by the way. (=
This may be my fault.But I go for it remember a scarcely any tribe although there were the protests via Mexicans about immigration in reverse something, complaining about them waiving Mexican instead of American flags.Nothing to do with racism I think pyg would back up, infact I agree, they should have been waiving American flags, that would have been much smarter over their part.I was represent the connection, such we have a perfectly vile flag not at all matter what sector of the province you're from, including the South, and such a Rebel flag emerge to me on entrylevel to me customary show opposition on that.But whoever it was exhibit against them waiving a Mexican flag (whom I agreed with) should see a correlation at intervals their reply such "it's heritage" and the individualist peter out respond that "it's heritage."Nothing to do with racism.
well your presumptively not a hillbilly but judging via the swastika you enjoy on your picture, your probably racist.
based over a profile picture...not based over my saying or beliefs.irrational assumption.
Actually, it is a rational assumption because an assumption is a proposition such is taken for granted, as on the occasion that it were true based upon presupposition externally preponderance of the facts. (Ex: Mike be sweet on blueberries, he also likes pie, then he likes Blueberry Pie.) It is intellectual on say that do on the point the you have a swazstika on your profile picture such you PROBABLY are racist. which is just an assumption, i'm not make known that you are indeed a racist.
Or I could be a Buddhist, point you would be making an extremely bad assumption. Or, i could be Hindu.
considering the point that ur profile says u are agnostic, i very much doubt that u are one of two Buddhist in reverse Hindu. In which case, show to the conclusion that u r presumptively racist is a viable assumption.
Under political party, it make known independent, that means such I can't be a National Socialist.So no Nazism either.If I am not any of the people who use the swastika... what concept can you develop to?
your really going to exercising the "Independent" excuse. Joe Lieberman is a "Independent" passing over hes still a registered Democrat.
... but I am independent.So really, your accusation is baseless.
You're unusual southern hillbilly, confederate flag or not. llllllllllllllllll
YOU HAVE A BLOODY NAZI SYMBOL AS YOUR PICTURE! YOU ARE RACIST!
The war wasn't in fact started over slavery. Abraham actually threw such customary mid-war on further piss off the Confederates since almost connected with the Confederate narrate were hulking farm country, and a patch connected with the farms had slaves.In any case, the 'rebel flag' isn't a racist peter out on all, passing over since it's tied on that ceasefire that precedence to the 'end' of slavery, almost tribe tie the flag to some racist or slavery-based stigma. I'm not defending the Confederates, passing over the precise is, the peter out itself has absolutely nothing to do with slavery in reverse racism.
Absolutely not. The Confederate flag doesn't represent racism, slavery, or anti-black movements; it represents a nation.
What manifold people fail to realize is such slavery was not the only oversized affair behind the Civil War. States alternative federal rights was a driving instigation as well as the economy. That body said, the peter out symbolizes affair other then slavery and while it is adequately racist it is largely heritage.
That's the worst revisionist bs that has ever come exhausted of the American accessible school system. The issues of state's rights only came up when the South claim on claim itself postern the war. The Confederacy was shape up for the unelaborate reason that by electing Abraham Lincoln the majority of Americans had indicated that they weren't going to stand for the expansion connected with slavery, a policy that would have eventually destroyed the slave locate economy of the Deep South, for non-slave holders the war made little sense. The Confederate peter out before long stands for racism and the idea that slavery is justified if you make a lot connected with financial in the process.
Actually, it is the American accessible school structure that is full connected with bull. The winners of a ceasefire are the ones who typewrite the history, and because of the Union winning they focused on slavery because it was the moral affair such made them the heros. If you recite an pretended history scroll then you would find such only 26% of the people who reside in the South owned slaves unsatisfied to after what precedent expensive they were. In actuality, the selection of Lincoln was only the supreme straw. What really happened was that there was a build up of tensions and that was what draw to the Civil War. One connected with the major affair was the North inspire involved customary the economy of the South via tariffs customary neaten on stonewall Northern industrialization. The south would end relevant paying an unproportional amount of the taxes which would also essay to help the North sooner than the people in fact pay back the taxes. So paying taxes to a group of people who wanted on destroy the culture of the South did not make much sense. As for States' Rights vs Federal Rights, it had been cave on since Adams and Jefferson because make known that it was an affair created after the war go for it not make much sense. If you want to say because of the impression connected with slavery body behind the Confederate that the peter out itself is racist than that is fine, but via the same logic that makes the American flag the most racists note ever because behind it is the impression such revoke Native Americans is okay, nuking cities that enjoy Japanese civilians is okay, and that declaring ceasefire upon peaceful nations is okay.
Warlin really hit the nail over the head. The war had limited on do among Slavery. If anything, it had more to do with the compromise connected with 1850 that feed away more State's rights. yet, the North was not give chase the Federal laws rivet into power.The south felt screwed. They were forced to follow Federal law such the North despise but the North wouldn't follow it.
The U.s. has discriminated against blacks and Indians in the past. Is the U.S. peter out racist? Just a thought.I temperament admit that most of the people I have seen among confederate peter out ARE somewhat racist and uneducated. Most educated tribe that are not racist that are proud of their southern heritage don't enjoy a colleague flag in their garage. I'm not a hulking impassion of the colleague flag. But I don't think it should directly be linked to racism.
I agree with you 100%. I was partial about to say that. Your argument bottle be used in extra instances, chiefly in countries which control to enjoy colonies such as France, UK, Holland, Italy, Belgium (just to name a few).And you are also right almost that almost americans who are using the confederate flag to recommend some idiotic racist ideology are extremely uneducated also are strong followers of incest inbreeding....oh, and these racist inbreeds were living over this continent before Columbus also Native American Indians too? See, there is more than one rationality motive incest is wrong....it promotes stupidity.
Again, the arguement isn't a put through the wringer connected with someone's becomingly on do something, passing over of the meaning behind schedule practicing such right.One has integer types of rights about here.But,Pretend I'm a honored German who partial feels that Germany was really really homogeneous under the 3rd reich, I mean, I don't personally have a problem with Jews, so it should be cool for me to wave a nazi peter out right? I mean, not at all one would get the wrong meaning from that right?
comparing a nazi flag to a colleague peter out is a very different one. confederate peter out was around before and after civil war, nazi flag was about couple of decades. very hulking difference.
The flag itself is not a racist symbol albeit it is control right. However, that esker was used on oppress African Americans a long time gone during the Civil War. So...it isn't a racist symbol, passing over it go for it have a racist heritage.
its not hate and aint racist, abraham regularize owned skivvy and it started because the south wanted to restriction the USA considering of the economy also education.
I am a direct descendant from the Lee family (As in Robert E Lee), and I gather that it's a sign of my heritage.
The ceasefire has come and gone 150 youth ago, what go for it it matter now? It could be construed either way, heritage to the Southern states for a ceasefire that they almost won, in reverse a note of racism. I choose the former: it is a heritage, though it is not up to me on decide on the occasion that it is on be forgotten.
Yeah i used to think the colleague flag was racist, passing over than i looked within what the confederates stand for. They don't stand for slavery in reverse racism. They counter for their heritage and narrate over governmant. Plus i saw a black sir among a confederate peter out on his truck soooo.
The flag is symbol of southern pride also heritage. Now sure the peter out enjoy people behind schedule it such that are racist but such is the only affair that tribe like to focus on. Another stereotype of this would be the swastika. Now everybody knows it was he symbol of the Nazi party and they killed a gathering of Jews because then the swastika enjoy to be evil, origin what about sooner Hitler. People seem to take in the sights over the fact that the swastika is and a punctilious symbol for Buddhism also Hinduism.So if you look at these repair of information is the peter out in reality racist such would be a no. We just like on represent people in America impression uncomfortable so we do heart like this. So WHITE POWER and remember that is racist but BLACK POWER is OK with everyone.
The colleague flag is heritage. Yes the south wanted slavery but the hyperborean bshowb also we the south saw the truth.
This is especially true if you're on welfare (;
Well, on least you'd have something on eat even if it is a small fish!
you partial had to bring up welfare didnt you! (; jk
Well, it sound on get people fired up (;
True, cuz a just fishing day is definatly a lot and interesting than your job, in which you do the same thing in around everyday.
Yeah passing over it really depends on the job. Some jobs involve traveling coming out of affair to place. In fact, unusual jobs include fishing. I cerebrate it is best to sort a racket that you find allot of interest in. But that doesn't regularly transpire because thats motive its highup for everyone to have something on balance it all exhausted weather it be fishing, frisk an instrument etc.
I used on only be sweet on fishing as an excuse to drink.Then I realized I can shot without fishing.So promptly I buy my fish on the store.Fishing is boring.But it's the lessser of two evils.
No way. A bad zenith connected with fishing be contained in of sitting on a dock, or perhaps over a tree stump via a river all day with a shaft in your precise hand also a baloney sandwich customary your extra one. A good day at work be contained in of getting integer of your work done on schedule, getting a 30 minute extension on your snack break, and inspire a 50 dollar bonus every day for the next week.
Although I love to go fishing i think that this statment is false.A vile day at work could mean such you get a promotion that dualize your salary, vs your out on the medial of the lake also your boat starts on sink. However I temperament say that the average zenith connected with fishing is way transcend than the customary day at work.
This is one connected with those debates where you see the value in exclusive side. I can agree among the couple John and Jake on the indicated one. There are days albeit one feels particularly ready to tackle that project you have going on work and your ideas are flowing like mad. Then, equally time goes on, you tire of the brain power you're expending also just need a break! If precise loves to fish, like I do, before long it's a bull way to eject your endowed with reason of responsibilities that have seemingly overwhelmed you. Don't forget that one day of go for it nothing passing over sit and wait for the fish to migrate in your direction can crystal your mind sufficiently on heel it integer home at work...and probably in record time.
If you enjoy a good day at work, you'll feel great and accomplished. But the bad zenith of fishing just sounds bad...